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  Ok i know you all think the toipic title is a little schrewed but read this first befor you judge..


        i know this is a little different from the other topics but i just want to know what you all think about people who questions the Laws Of God please just give your opion ill respond to this in a little bit i have to get ready for church


                Thanks again

               James Frey aka Stuck_on_Christ

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Chaplainnik   August 03, 2008 @ 06:25 AM

The 'balls to challenge God," isn't that free will? Jesus seemed to follow the INTENTION of the sabbath, though not the LAWS of his church. So, I usually tell people that God is big enough to handle whatever they throw at Him. After all, He created them!

Example of questioning laws:
One Sabbath, Jesus was strolling with his disciples through a field of ripe grain. Hungry, the disciples were pulling off the heads of grain and munching on them. Some Pharisees reported them to Jesus: "Your disciples are breaking the Sabbath rules!" Jesus said, "Really? Didn't you ever read what David and his companions did when they were hungry, how they entered the sanctuary and ate fresh bread off the altar, bread that no one but priests were allowed to eat? And didn't you ever read in God's Law that priests carrying out their Temple duties break Sabbath rules all the time and it's not held against them? "There is far more at stake here than religion. If you had any idea what this Scripture meant - 'I prefer a flexible heart to an inflexible ritual' - you wouldn't be nitpicking like this. The Son of Man is no lackey to the Sabbath; he's in charge."

(Matthew 12: 1-8 Message Version)

Example of challenging God:
God, how long do I have to cry out for help before you listen? How many times do I have to yell, "Help! Murder! Police!" before you come to the rescue? Why do you force me to look at evil, stare trouble in the face day after day? Anarchy and violence break out, quarrels and fights all over the place. Law and order fall to pieces. Justice is a joke. The wicked have the righteous hamstrung and stand justice on its head.
But you can't be serious! You can't condone evil! So why don't you do something about this? Why are you silent now? This outrage! Evil men swallow up the righteous and you stand around and watch!

(Habakuk 1: 2-4, 13 Message Version)

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Adam_jenkins   August 03, 2008 @ 08:31 PM

I think when it comes right down to it man tends to legalize things. We have emotions and often fleshly desires that often provoke us to make decisions with some fleshly desire in the mix. What I mean by this statement is that I think that Christ was the only one free from this muddle of humanity. Being sinless and part of God Christ was the breathing living word in human form. Men attempted to trap him in his words. Viewing his words as a complex game and searching always for the loophole into proving him false. Every time they were brought down by the correction of godly intent. Never once did Jesus fail to speak the words of the father. Legalism is a way for men (when I say men I mean women too) to have a fence around their heart and feel justification for their deeds. Justification is only a false pass for the door that Jesus guards and he'll never fall for any of it. When it's presented it's shown as rags in the sight of the Lord.

  As for challenging God and prayer's not being answered. Our views are skewed and we can only see a piece of the puzzle. If life were a card game than we would have a hand and Jesus would have the whole deck exposed. Prayer was meant for the purpose of speaking life into death. Intercessing for light into dark places. The power of the tongue holds life and death, this power in connection with free will allows us as christians to speak to mountains and they must move. Rage, fighting, disease, etc. These things are a natural order brought on by a sinful nature and imperfect flesh. Christ rectifies this by dying for our sins on the cross allowing us the chance to intercess through him to the father in order that we might have the life he promised. It's easy to wonder why the bad guy gets it good on earth and we have it tough. When my father died and left five children behind we all wondered. He was a good man a godly man. How could this happen? But what it comes down to is sometimes life and our corruptable bodies end and though we cry out for miracles and answers - sometimes they don't come as we want them to. I could say more, but I'm not even sure if I'm babbling or why Im' writing...something just stirred me to post.

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Stuck_on_christ   August 04, 2008 @ 09:45 AM

Adam i could not have said it better myself your right. Jesus did die on the cross for all our sins and to do that for every living person on the face of this place they call earth,, I personally dont think i have the Balls to challenge the Lord.

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Adam_jenkins   August 04, 2008 @ 10:29 PM

I think when we take on Christianity and pursue Christ we also take on the recognition that we were bought with a price. What this means is that as born again humans we are to assume a covering under the authority that has been laid out before us by christ's sacrifice. God's laws and man's laws are very different. I think we as humans strive to make laws that would seem to be righteous in appearance, but generally serve to further part man from God often times. I think that God is far more relaxed than we give him credit for. I don't think he's hovering over us waiting for mistakes to get made so he can send us to hell. I think that his laws are made with a pure understanding that our corrupted flesh isn't able to comprehend. Holiness is a hard thing to grasp. Often times humans turn holiness into self-righteousness forgetting that separation unto God doesn't dignify us it in fact is to make us lower in a servant position in order to bless God and edify him. A lot of God's laws I think are turned around by our interpretation and I think mostly Micah 6:8 sets apart the expectations. 'He has shown you what is good He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly, and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.' thoughts?

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Chaplainnik   August 04, 2008 @ 10:51 PM

Adam,
Sounds like you come from a holiness church. Your language and argumentation is laid out very traditionally. If so, I think you've done a nice job presenting that perspective.
Shalom- nik

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Adam_jenkins   August 05, 2008 @ 07:00 AM

That's interesting. No, I don't actually come out of a holiness church. I do come out of a pentecostal church, but we weren't as out there as holiness churches can be. I would say my affiliation in the pentecostal church shares beliefs but I don't align myself completely with the holiness movement. That movement has an interesting history however.

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Toby_macfan123   August 05, 2008 @ 07:47 AM

no i do not have the balls to challenge christ and i dnt want to wats the point to be beatin with scripter it might be fun sor some pple bt not me

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Chaplainnik   August 05, 2008 @ 05:44 PM

Can we clarify the original question?
-"What do you all think about people who question the Laws Of God?"

OK, how do we define the difference between laws of man and laws of God? Adam brought up the human tendency to legalize things (hence the Pharisees wanting to fence in the Sabbath with regulations.) So, is the Sabbath a law of man or a law of God?

The Pharisees thought these were laws of God. And, they were mad at people (like Jesus) who challenged them. How do we know if we are right about our laws of God? Hence, how do we know if we should be challenging them or not?

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